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're saving as we wind down two wars to rebuild america. and that we reduce our deficit in a balanced way that allows us to make these critical investments. now, it ultimately is going to be up to the voters, to you, which path we should take. are we going to double down on the top-down economic policies that helped to get us into this mess, or do we embrace a new economic patriotism that says america does best when the middle class does best in and i'm looking forward to having that debate. >> governor romney, two minutes. >> thank you, jim. it's an honor to be here with you. and i appreciate the chance to be with the president. i'm pleased to be at the university of denver. appreciate their welcome. and also the presidential commission on these debates. and congratulations to you, mr. president, on your anniversary. i'm sure this was the most romantic place you could imagine, here with me. so congratulations. this is obviously a very tender topic. i've had the occasion over the last couple of years of meeting people across the country. i was in dayton, ohio, and a woman grabbed my arm a

of the fed. certainly fed jim bernanke and a big hawk about our deficit. good to have you on the program. >> thank you, maria. good to be with you. >> what are you expecting? do you think governor romney comes out swinging right off the bat? what do you think he is going to be pressured and asked about in terms of specifics on his economic plan? >> overall i don't expect a whole lot of specifics from either one. in the last several weeks the whole of the discussion has been on debate techniques and who's going to make the biggest gaffe. hopefully they'll get to the bottom of it. but i don't know if they'll get around to what i consider the biggest financial issues, the debt crisis that we have. and what are they going to do about it. and how do they relate to the federal reserve. say we can't have much to do with it. let the fed monetize the debt and go on and on? i have not heard from either one of them actually cutting something. so i'm afraid the important issue of the financial crisis that we're in the middle of is going to get worse. my prediction is they won't really deal with it t

president four years. you said you would cut the deficit in half. we still have trillion dollar deficits. >> five weeks before the election, he says his big bold idea is, never mind. >> if there is any good news for the president after the debate is that the unemployment rate dropped below 8% from 8.1%, to 7.8%, the lowest since he took office. jonathan martin was on the ground for the debate in denver. you say romney took the debate stage with the top republican verging on panic. did this turnaround for them? >> they are backing away from the edge. there is no question that this was a make or break moment for governor romney. if he had not shown up like he did in denver, you would have seen a really ugly scene here. a lot of folks in his party would have backed away from him. this puts him back in the game, it restores confidence among other people running for the house and senate this year who are now happy to be seen with him. it gives them a real boost when they desperately need it. he still has problems and a lot of swing states. this puts them back in the game, it turns around the

the deficit or stick it to the middle class. that's the math. we can't afford to go down that road again. we can't afford to gut our investments in education or clean energy or research and technology. we can't afford to roll back regulations on wall street. or on big oil companies or insurance companies. we cannot afford to double down with the same top-down economic policy that is got us into this mess. that is not a plan to create jobs. that is not a plan to grow the economy. that is not changed. that is a relapse. we don't want to go back there. it didn't work, and we are not going back. we are going forward. i've got a different view about how we create jobs and prosperity. this government doesn't succeed when we only see the rich getting richer. we succeed when the middle class gets bigger. we grow our economy not from the top down, but from the middle out. we don't believe that anybody is entitled to success in this country, but we do believe in something called opportunity. we believe in a country where hard work pays off and where responsibilities were awarded and everybody is getti

to handle the economy, mr. romney leads by three. on the deficit, mr. romney leads by nine. on all of these issues, that's the one on which he has the strongest trust from voters as compared with president obama. and that confidence in mr. romney on the deficit turns up not just in the nbc/"wall street journal" poll, but in a lot of national polls. even though he hasn't given a lot of details as to how he would handle the deficit as an issue. the bottom line, there's no question as to who you would rather be here, right? you would rather be president obama than mitt romney looking at these numbers. that plus 19 advantage that the president has on looking out for the middle class, that is a death nail for mr. romney's campaign if he cannot turn that around. but i think looking ahead to tonight's debate, there is a real opportunity in the huge disconnect in the electorate, in a way that reflects a real risk for president obama. there's this huge disconnect between mr. obama's best number with voters and one of his worst numbers. which is that president obama has so far not been able

losses, bigger unemployment and bigger deficits and more wars than president obama, was, by the failed policies of george w. bush. which resulted in directly, the greatest job losses since fdr. this is not easy and it is hard work but we are moving forward. >> let's talk about policies. we didn't hear in the hour and 25 minutes of debate anything about the stimulus package. if you look at the policy the trickle-down government policy as the governor described it, they represented below 6% unemployment now, after spending all of that money and had full charge of the first two years and the policies that this president put into place, actually made it worse. including the fact that obamacare is actually... employers, it is causing them not to hire and gas prices doubled and the middle class is buried under this administration and the vice president said it aptly and it is true. >> chris: let's turn to a couple of issues that came up in the debate. obviously the jobs report came out after the debate. both sides said the other candidate is lying about his position and let's start with taxe

deficit and a balanced way that allows us to make these critical investments. now, ultimately it will be up to the voters, to you, which path we should take. are we going to double down on the top-down economic policy that helped to get us into this mess cliques or do we embrace a new economic patriotism that says america does best when the middle classed as fast. i am looking forward to having that debate. >> moderator: governor romney, two minutes. romney: thank you, jim. i am pleased to be at the university of denver and i appreciate their welcome and also the presidential commission on these debates. congratulations to you, mr. president on your anniversary. i'm sure this is the most romantic place you can imagine here with me. [laughter] congratulations. this is obviously a very tender topic. identification of the last couple years many people across the country. i was in dayton, ohio, and a woman grabbed my hand and said she'd been out of work since may. can you help me? yesterday was a rally in denver and a woman came up to her with a baby in her arms and said my husban

that only affect high income individuals to avoid either raising the deficit or burdening the middle class. it's math, it's arithmetic. >> get the rates down, lower deductions and exemptions to create more jobs because there's nothing better for getting us to a balanced budget to have more people working, earning more money and paying taxes and that's by far the most effective and efficient way to get this budget balanced. >> paul: welcome to the journal editorial report. i'm paul gigot. a big night in denver on wednesday, as president barack obama, and mitt romney met for the first presidential debate and the candidates sparred as you heard over taxes and the deficit as well as health care. wall street reform and the role of government. with mitt romney taking some sharp shots at the president's record these past four years. >> we're seeing right now is, in my view, a trickle down government approach which has government thinking it can do a better job than free people pursuing their dreams and that's not working the. proof of that is 23 million people out of work and the proof one out of

as we wind down two wars to rebuild america, and that we reduce our deficit in a way that makes us ablet -- that makes it able for us to create critical investments. it is up to you. are we going to go from the top down, which is what got us into this mess, or do we embrace the new economic patriotism that says america does best when the middle class does best? i'm looking forward to having that debate. >> governor romney. >> thank you, jim. i appreciate the chance to be with the president. appreciate the university of denver and their welcome. congratulations to you, mr. president, on your anniversary. i am sure this is the most dramatic place you could imagine, here with me. so congratulations. [laughter] this is a tender topic. i have had the occasion over the last several years meeting people across the country. i was in ohio and a woman grabbed my arm, and she said, i have been out of work since may. can you help me? yesterday was a rally in denver. a woman came up to my wife with a baby in her arms and said, my husband has had four part-time jobs in three years. we have just lost o

bigger unemployment, bigger deficits, more wars than president obama was by the failed policies of george w. bush which resulted in directly the greatest job losses since fdr. h is hot easy. in is hard -- this is not easy. this is hard work. >> we didn't hear in an hour and 20 minutes of debate anything about the stimulus package because if you look at the policy the trickle down government policy as the governor described it, they represented we would be below 6% unemployment now after spending all that money. the policies that this president put into place is actually made it worse including the fact that obama care is causing small employers not to hire because of rising healthcare costs. gas prices have doubled. the middle class is being buried under this administration. the vice president said it aptly and it is true. >> chris: let's turn to a couple of issues that came up during the debate. obviously the jobs report came out after the debeat. both sides saying that the other candidate is lying about h his position and let's start with taxes. governor, the president keeps saying that

'll have to close our deficit. and how do we deal with our tax code and make sure we are reducing spending in a responsible way and how do we make sure we have enough revenue to make those changes. governor romney's plan calls for $8 trillion, how we pay for that, reduce the deficit and make the investments that we need to make without dumping those costs on middle class americans i think is one of the central questions of this campaign. >> both of you have spoken about a lot of different things. first governor romney do you have a question you would like to ask the president directly about something he just said? >> romney: sure. first of all, i don't have a $5 trillion tax cut. i don't have a tax cut. my view is that we ought to provide tax relief to people in the middle class, but i'm not going to reduce the share of taxes paid by high income people. they are doing just fine in this economy. the people having a hard time right now are middle income americans. they have been buried. they are just being crushed. middle income americans have seen their income

. >> president's number one vulnerability, is it the deficit conversation? >> i think that there isn't really -- the president has done a very good job in colorado of pointing out the things he has done. agricultural exports are up largely because of new markets opening. overall exports are up. 38% by the end of last year. our economy has seen a lot of benefit. issues around the stimulus sometimes people bring that up. colorado voters are more in tune with that. there is although i think there is also some of the background issues that have risen in. women's issues -- >> i want to bring that up. is that romney's number one issue? i have seen a lot of advertising specifically targeted women here in colorado. >> when michael bennett was running for the u.s. senate those women issues came up again and again and really did turn a great number of voters in the direction of michael bennett. >> i know you are having a fight between the state and localities having to do with fracking and you want to expand energy. it sounds like romney would be on your side on some of these things and the stereotype

, there are also some tax hikes here, and wouldn't that do something to decrease the deficit? >> yes, it's the only specific tax increase that-- of both candidates and if you would close the deficit and turn some of the tacks to the higher levels, and the revenues for the government, revenue enhancement. however, to cost patriotism to say a small fraction of the country will have an extra tax burden, everybody has to pay more taxes, in fact, if you combine the tax proposals of mitt romney and president obama, together you would have a patriotic plan where you're removing some of the benefits of the lower people the last 10, 15 years and then, we would have higher revenues cross the board and that would lower the deficit the most, and the other things in this that are not particularly patriotic. a lot of the obama proposals think there's a small group that can fix the problems. the thing with the car thing, we all have to pay a higher gas tax and help the deficit, and have the cars making 80 miles per hour and we're the ones driving far. >> you say you want to wave the flag for patriotism, you say t

a record deficit when he came into office. >> does it work to keep talking about what happened before? >> only to put in context of where he wants to take the country. we were handed a record debt. record deficit when we walked in because of two wars that weren't paid for, two tax cuts that weren't paid for. because of the economic crisis we had to take emergency action. he would do that same thing today. we saved millions of american families from the severe -- most severe economic crisis we've seen in our life times. now the president cut a trillion dollars and he has a plan to do more, a $4 trillion deficit reduction plan. the only person on that stage tonight with a real deficit reduction plan scored by the cbo, you know, scored by independent economists is barack obama. mitt romney, doesn't have a deficit reduction plan. he wants to spend $2 trillion more in defense, $5 trillion more in a tax cut won't tell us how you pay for, before you even start talking about deficit reduction. it's a joke to think mitt romney will actually take action to redaus the deficit. >> taxes, this wee

's budget you are going to have a trillion dollars deficit. he said, i have not done anything yet. [laughter] he said, no mr. president, the budget they passed guarantees no matter what you do, you will have a trillion dollar debt this year in the budget. a trillion dollar deficit, to be precise. these guys talk about the national debt. what date did generated the -- what they did generate -- generated the jobs since world war ii. it gave us this great recession. what they have not told us is what they are willing to do about it. we laid out a $4 trillion debt reduction plan over next 10 years. we have already passed $1 trillion of it. these guys voted against everything. not only did they say they did not like our plan -- what is your plan? you go out there and you look at the setup. an impressive bipartisan commission. simpson-bowles. everyone of those plans, they rejected. paul ryan even voted against the simpson-bowles plan as a member of the commission. he would not vote to let it get to the united states congress. why? it's important you know why. because they will not voted for a sing

or explode the deficit. > deficit. >> reporter: what you're saying it it is unrealistic-- >> i'm saying it's impossible, not unrealistic. >> when president obama said in 2008 i'm going to cut the deficit in half, i'm going to close guilt me, people-- gitmo, people said-- did not sigh he was not telling the truth. >> closing gitmo involved congress and he couldn't get them to do that. the math, people over $200,000, and you still have a trillions of dollars hole, and he hasn't named the deductions he would close. this is a shell game, john. whichever shell you pick up, the middle class loses. the economy will lose, and i think that this is going to catch up with him. >> schieffer: what did the president think of his performance? >> i think the president understands-- you know, the president is his harshest critic, and without getting into detail, i think you can assume he has reviewed the tape and it will inform how he handles these subsequent debates. >> schieffer: do you think he was ill prepared. some are saying it was the people who prepared him. you were in the room. >> i was one of th

tax cuts. i said i won't put in place a tax cut that adds to the deficit. >> for 18 months, he's been running on this tax plan, and now, five weeks before the election, he's saying his big bold idea is never mind. >> let me repeat what i said. i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. that's not my plan. >> it dominated the deficit reduction part of the debate as the president reached back to an iconic moment from the primaries. >> governor romney stood on the stage with other republican candidates for the nomination, and he was asked, would you take $10 of spending cuts for just $1 of revenue. and he said no. >> you've been president four years. you said you would cut the deficit in half. it's four years later. you raised taxes and you killed jobs. the rev new i get is by more people working, getting higher pay, paying more taxes. >> much to the chagrin of more liberal members shlg the president didn't mention bayne capital. didn't question about his tax returns. somehow talked about the bush tax cuts without uttering the name bush. all lines of attack on the campaign pushing in tv

is for a long-term comprehensive bipartisan deficit reduction goal. in our opinion that deal needs to have the millennium voice. if not, there will not be a deal we believe. >>neil: would the group be if their 20's? >>guest: between 18 and 32. >>neil: you telling them when it comes to entitlements, especially, we don't start addressing this, there will be nothing for any of us? >>guest: right. we are trying to connect the issue to their lives. we saying you need to hear about this because sometimes it is hard to tell people, here is what will happen 40 years down the road. what we are telling them, we are talking about lost opportunity. to be honest, they are angry. they want to do something. >>neil: what what i amire about what you are trying to do, the commercial on an educated consumer is the best customer. young people don't realize this is saveable. a majority of young people assume they not going to get because the well will run dry, they can get if all age groups, all demographics start moving. how do you make that pitch? what do you say? >>guest: well, we are basically out there co

's not possible to come up with enough loopholes for individuals to avoid raising the deficit or burdening the middle class. >> there will be no tax cut that adds to the deficit. >> i will take ideas from anybody, democrat or republican as long as they are advancing the cause of making middle class families stronger and giving opportunities to middle class. >> i have got five boys. i'm used to people saying something that not always true but repeating it hoping i will believe it. i will not reduce the taxes paid by high income americans. >> we do better when the middle class is doing well. by giving them those tax cuts they have more money in their pocket so maybe they can buy a new car. >> under the president's tax policies middle americans have been buried. they have been crushed. martha: joe biden had a bit of a gaffe using that same line and mitt romney put it back at him last night. candidates will barely have time to catch their breath. they get back on the campaign trail today. the president will be in colorado and wisconsin. the romney camp moves along to the swing state of virgini

deficit. they have to deal with the deficit. but once you're done with the deficit you have to rebuild the middle class in this country and nobody is paying much attention to that. we have a lot of rhetoric in the campaign but-- >> but the necessary done to help the middle class is to nail down the fiscal issues. if we don't nail down the fiscal issues, i don't think anything will matter. >> but i'm with you, i think it will happen because of necessity, because of the fiscal cliff. >> what it will take to rebuild the middle class? >> it's taken three decades to basically decimate the middle class. it will take something like that to rebuild it. but we have to be dedicated to that. we're focused on a fescal deficit not a human deficit, and we have a human deficit in this country. we have 27 million people either unemployed, working part time, unwillingly, or dropping out of the labor market. >> schieffer: let me work michelle into this conversation. as you sit here hearing this, it's always education that seems to wind up at the back of the line. >> that's right, that's right. and i thi

for a $5 trillion tax cut. what i said is i won't put in place a tax cut that adds to the deficit. >> their first debate, contentio contentious. >> for 18 months he's been running on this tax plan. and now, five weeks before the election, he's saying that his big bold idea is never mind. >> virtually everything he said about my tax plan sin accurate. look, i have five boys. i'm use the to people saying something that is notays ultimately hoping i'll believe it. >> the question this morning, did either candidate do enough to make believers out of america's undecided voters? >>> it is the day after. good morning and welcome to "early start," everybody. >>> it's 5:00 a.m. in the east. first, round one. it is now in the books. mitt romney has something to celebrate. in a cnn poll, 67% said romney won the first presidential debate. 25% think president obama was the victor. >> there were no real knockout punches thrown last night, more like a series of glancing blows with romney the aggressor on taxes, jobs, health care. putting the president really on the defensive. we're lucky to be j

, trying to do deficit reduction is raising taxes and not doing the cutting on the other end. why don't we try a different approach? why don't we try an approach and cut stuff and then maybe raise, at thats later? >> we can't cut. we can't cut. we can't cut. >> then we're might as well as go down in flames if we can't cut. >> raise taxes. >> neil: charles, one of the interesting things this week, the 47% romney thing and i go back and forth no matter who's nose got out of joint as a result of the comments picked up at a fundraiser. the 47% should stagger you, how we get 47% don't pay taxes. i take nothing away from those on social security, retirement. for whatever reason we're close to paying no federal income taxes today and yet, the only way to correct this, and i think that ben is it an earnest guy and earnestly reading the map of the land is well, we're going to have to hike taxes on the well-to-do or do something like that because the spending cuts and-- so here we go on this group that we always hit up despite the fact that half aren't getting in at all. >> the spending cuts will ne

into effect in january. lawmakers must also lay the groundwork on a basic plan to reduce the federal deficit. the group will begin work on the plan following november's election and have until january to agree on a deal. senators could face some road blocks along the way. senate democrats say they do not agree with extending bush-era tax cuts, while republicans oppose raising tax rates. a shocking stat is out about millionaires getting paid unemployment. according to the congressional research service, nearly 2400 millionaires were paid unemployment in 2009. add to that another 954,000 households earning more than $100,000 also taking home unemployment benefits. the numbers include people who were hired for higher-paying jobs after receiving the government money. in 2011, the senate voted unanimously to end unemployment payments to jobless millionaires. however, it was attached to another bill which is yet to pass in the senate. a bailout for spain is "not imminent." that's according to the country's prime minister, who told reporters yesterday that plans to request a bailout are not set in

taxes, you have the deficit being dealt with in an insane way, at least being dealt with, i'm not so sure the markets are going to implode-- >> you don't think, you think the markets will whistle past this. >> at least they're going to say something is going on. at least they're doing something. >> and anyway, right. >> it's going to hurt the economy long-term no doubt. >> the it's the federal reserve behind the market. >> what about the notion that maybe if there were stronger leadership from the white house we wouldn't have to take such a ham-fisted approach. in other words, how come there can't be an elegant solution, i can't get my way, you can't get your way, let's just destroy it all. >> interestingly enough goes back to obamacare, i think it has to do with the incredit mri high-handed autocratic way that mr. obama shoved through obamacare and they're saying we're not going to cooperate at all. i think had there been a spirit of cooperation coming out of the white house with obamacare, all of this would not have happened. >> if i may-- >> adam. >> i think that's sort of of sill

are going to benefit too much from them? no. >> the sharpest exchanges over taxes and deficits. >> he is saying that he is going to pay for by closing loopholes and deductions. the problem that is he's been asked over a hundred times how you would close those deductions and loopholes, and he hasn't been able to identify them. >> everything he said by b. my tax plan is inaccurate. if the tack plan he described was a tax plan i was asked to support i would say absolutely not. i'm not looking for $5 trillion tax cut. i won't put in place a tax cut that adds to the deficit. >> 18 months he's been run on this tax plan, now five weeks before the election, he's saying that his big, bold idea is never mind. >> let me repeat what i said. i'm not in favor of $5 trillion tax cut, that's not my plan. the two men even disagreed over whose turn it was to speak. >> jim -- the president began this segment so i think i get the last word. so i -- >> you get the first word in the next segment. >> but he gets the first word of the segment and i get the last word. let me make the comment. >> let's get bac

and you're not going to broaden the base much at all such that you'll have an explosive budget deficit, it's very much what we saw in the bush supply side trickle down years. >> bob, debatess left. the vice presidential debate, the town hall presidential debate and then the debate on foreign policy. >> i think we throw out the myth that somehow or other only the first debates matter. i think the other debates will have big audiences. i'm through with the expectations game. i think vice president biden will do very well next week. i think the president will bring his best game to these next two debates. this guy is a fourth quarter player. we saw it on health care and in the 2008 primaries. when the going to gets tough, when the pressure is on, he really steps up to it. i think barack obama whether do very well in these next two debates and i think as voters think about this,do very well in these next two debates and i think as voters think about this, we all play it as a game. if you were an average person sitting at home last night, you said, wait a minute, i suspect that guy romney's goi

this country forward and he did that tonight. and i think he scored point on balanced deficit reduction plan and how he would do it. holding wall street accountable and how he would do it. health reform plan, and i think that mitt romney, yes, he absolutely wins the preparation. he wins the style points. that's not what is dogging his campaign. what is dogging his campaign, the policies he doubled down on tonight. let's talk about the tax cuts. he signalled over the last couple of days, details about how they would pay for it they didn't put out details, they backed away from it. they are not being honest with the american people. you know what's worse? he got testy about it, being on defense and i think that came across to the american people. >> the president seemed to get testy at one point when he was interrupted by jim lehrer. will the president do more debate prep before the next debate, prepare differently. do you think he didn't take this seriously enough? >> we feel good about the president's performance here tonight. he wasn't speaking to the people in the room, the pundit class, b

into record deficits under george bush is because we put two wars and two tax cuts on a credit card. and now governor romney wants another $5 trillion in tax cuts that he can't pay for? not if i have anything to say about it. that's not going to happen. [applause] we are not going to let this country fall backward. not now. not with so much at stake. we've got to move forward. we need to invest in small business and manufacturers who create jobs here in the united states. we need to recruit 100,000 math and science teachers, train two million workers at community college, bring down the cost of college tuition. we need to -- [cheers and applause] we need to cut our oil imports in half. create thousands more jobs in clean energy. we need to use the savings from ending the wars in iraq and afghanistan to help pay down our deficit and put people back to work doing some nation building right here at home. that's the agenda we need. that's how you strengthen the middle class. that's how you keep moving forward. that's the choice in this election. and that's why i'm running for a second term. that

-income individuals to avoid either raising the deficit or burdening the middle class. it's math. >> i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. my plan is not to put in place any tax cut that will add to the deficit. gwen: and will today's improved jobs numbers change the political landscape again? debating, peter baker of "the new york times," dan balz of the "washington post." jeanne cummings of block berg news, and john dickerson of slate magazine and cbs news. >> award winning reporting and analysis, covering history as it happens. live in our nation's capital, this is "washington week" with gwen ifill, produced in association with "national journal." corporate funding for "washington week" is provided by -- ♪ >> wherever our trains go, the economy comes to life. norfolk southern. one line, infinite possibilities. >> we know why we're here. to connect our forces to what they need when they need it. >> to help troops see danger before it sees them. >> to answer the call of the brave and bring them safely home. >> around the globe, the people of boeing are working together to support and protect

, which deductions would you eliminate, let's be specific and how will you do that and reach deficit reduction, which programs will be cut? >> the question is, how do you get america back to work. what paul ryan said on your clip is, you flatten the base and increase -- excuse me, you increase the number -- reduce the number of deductions that are out there and you expand the base. that's typically what works. that can be done in a revenue neutral fashion that's what paul ryan has proposed and what that does is make america more competitive. mitt romney has been specific on how he would get america back to work and replace the failed policies of the president. andrea that's what this is about. the president's policies on job creation haven't gotten us back to work. 8% unemployment for 43 months. i mean what mitt romney said very specifically on job creation, is expanded trade by reducing the barriers, creating a better climate for america by keeping tax and regulatory policies in a better shape, energy. this president has been horrific we just lost 1200 coal jobs in virginia last wee

for that revenue, and if you don't close $4.8 trillion in those loopholes, two things happen, either the deficit goes up, or more likely is the middle class is going to see their taxes go up. >> but he's saying, as you know, robert, he's stating unequivocally that he will not push the tax cuts if they increase the deficit and that he will not push them if they force back increases on the middle class. >> well, then he has -- then he's got no economic theory. then he's walked away from 18 months of what the whole campaign has been about. but, george, we've seen this movie before where people say, oh, don't worry. it's all going to get paid for. it's fine. when you ask him what loopholes will you close specifically for wealthy earners to help pay for the $4.8 trillion in reduced revenue, there's no answer. i mean, let's be clear. paul ryan a week ago was asked about the math for this, and paul ryan, said, look, the math takes too long. well, mitt romney's solution is he just decided there wasn't math involved in this problem, and that's absolutely crazy. look, the only thing he outlined that he wo

a little bit more to reduce the deficit. governor romney earlier mentioned how the bowles-simpson commission. that's a bipartisan commission that talked about how we should move forward suggested we have to do it. in a balanced way with some revenue and some spending cuts. and this is a major difference that governor romney and i have. >> let me finish this point. you're looking for contrasts. when governor romney stood on a stage with other republican candidates for the nomination, and he was asked, would you take $10 of spending cuts for just $1 of revenue, and he said no. >> substantive debate on the major issues facing the country right now. right now, domestic issues, economic issues, health care, taxes, the nation's debt. got into the weeds in some areas, but this was a very, very important debate. anderson cooper watching this with all of our analysts as well. >> fascinating to see both men on the stage for the first time. you saw a difference in terms of temperament in debating style. i want to bring in gloria boerger and david gergen. even president obama's final

of improvements in the polling for government romney. who would better handle the deficit? romney went up 16%. who would handle the economy? romney gained 12 points over president obama. taxes, romney was ahead by nine points. health care, romney was ahead by five points. i would mention, the sampling error is almost five points there. but still, in virtually every single question, it was the governor romney who, among people who saw the debate, they felt that he was now ahead in the polls that flowed. what do you make of those very devastating numbers for the president? >> i think that governor romney is certainly a skilled debater. and last night he was able to elevate his level of performance. but he did not change the fundamental dynamics of this race, nor did he change some of the policies that actually got us into the economic mess that we have. he embraced the president and agreed that, in fact, he does want to turn medicare into a voucher program, and he still skated and danced and tap danced around how it is that he's going to cut tax for millionaires and billionaires without that having

promise to get our spending under control by cutting the deficit in half. he was so confident that shortly after taking office president obama said he would fix the economy in three years or face a one-term proposition. today he has broken the promises. his words have no credibility. host: that was the republican weekly address. ralph from the main joins us on the independent line. caller: i was born in 1950, 61 years old. i have gone through all kinds of things. my dad was in the service -- i have had two fathers. i am taking care of my mother now who is just getting one cut back after another through social security. medical benefits. i am not happy. i know what is going on. in the last five years i have taking care of her 24-7. i have had time to educate myself on what it is. until we understand who the enemy is, nothing will change and their plans will continue. there are manufacturing a war because global international banks and their lackeys have bankrupted the world. derivatives are nothing more than leverage. you have a situation where if you look and research it, the city of londo

. you're going to have $1 trillion deficit. he said i have not done anything yet. >> we can not keep looking our children in the eye knowing that we're going to give them a diminished future because we're spending their money today. it is a very simple idea. mayor ron and i am going to bring it to washington. we have to stop spending money we do not have. we must cut spending. we must get this balanced budget. we must get this debt under control. >> congressman paul ryan and joe biden will face off in their only debate. martha margaret. you can watch and engage with our live in debate preview starting seven got p.m. eastern filed by the debate at 9:00. your reaction at and 30 p.m. -- at 10:30 p.m. >> c-span's debate website provides life and on demand coverage of all the presidential and vice- presidential debate. is on a place for you will see live coverage before and after the debate. it has each debate question as a separate. what your critics clips as well and read streaming tweets from political reporters. go to c-span.org/debate. >> the house has done better in making its proce

that going for him. who knows, it might help make inroads with that 9% deficit romney is facing against the president in the latest ohio poll. then again, there may not be enough time to do enough shots with enough intoxicated fans before voting starts in ohio tomorrow. so if his running mate is no use, how about a boost from the other person mitt's proposed to, his wife, ann. surely she can provide the comfort and confidence that mr. romney needs to fire up his bid for the presidency. >> my biggest concern obviously would just be for the -- his mental well-being. >> wait? what? mrs. romney, that's not helping. you better finish the thought. >> i have all the confidence in the world in his ability, in his decisiveness, in his leadership skills, in his understanding of the economy, in his understanding of what's missing right now in the economy, you know, the pieces that are missing to get this jump started. so for me i think it would be the emotional part of it. >> right. he's capable, decisive, and emotionally troubled? well, that is an october surprise. let's get right to our panel th

that adds to the deficit. i want to underline that. virtually everything you said about my tax plan is inaccurate. so if the tax plan he described were a tax plan i was asked to support, i'd say absolutely not. i'm not looking for 5i trillion tax cut. i won't put in a place a tax cut that adds to the deficit. i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. that's not my plan. >> that's three different moments during this debate when mitt romney noticed the bump in the set for obama. what he's saying there is he's arguing against math. the idea that you can cut faxes 20%, can you tell taxes for everybody and it's deficit neutral and faye for it by closing unspecified loop moles and dealing with deductions. that is the romney position. it's up to bahama to make romney get specific about it to say okay. it's easy to say you deal with the deductions and it's easy to say it's deficit neutral and let's talk about the specific deductions and talk about the home interest deduction and health care deduction and the charitable giving deduction. these are things that people rely on and things that

to the deficit. then romney said hey, i don't have a $5 trillion tax cut. cnn's tom foreman is here. what's up with that, tom? >> there were more accusations and denials than a junior high school schoolyard fight. we knew it would be a big issue. it dominated the beginning of this debate. obama said that romney is pitching a huge tax cut for the wealthy. >> governor romney's central economic plan calls for a $5 trillion tax cut. on top of the extension of the bush tax cuts, that's another trillion dollars and $2 trillion in additional military spending that the military hasn't asked for. >> awful lot, but let's look at the facts. mitt romney does propose a 20% tax cut. the nonpartisan tax policy center says that under that plan, if that's all you're talking about, is the tax cut, taxes on the wealthiest americans would be reduced by $5 trillion initially. our verdict here on this claim is that it is false. to understand why, you have to look at the the second part of the equation here. mitt romney, his idea that he would cut taxes on the wealthy by $5 trillion, we're saying that is false. the

campaigned in florida where he argued the obama administration inherited a trillion dollar deficit from the bush administration >>> that the two wars on a credit card without paying a penny >>> president obama and mitt romney tucker downed cramming for next week's debate showdown both sides work hard to lower expectations by praising their opponent. romney says the president has the advantage is one of the talented political communicators in modern history obama says romney has the edge to betting about two dozen times during the republican primary >>> in the both have ample experience debating but gov. romney has more practice recently >>> she runs the annenberg center at university of pennsylvania >>> in the challenger has the opportunity to challenge she is competent to stand his own against the president a challenger who accomplishes that wins the first debate >>> jamison says hope candidates called for a big moment that candidates remember like john mccain said bonn from a plumber that question president obama >>> john mccain alluded to joe the plumber and that barack obama would s

cannot pay for his $5 trillion tax plan without blowing up the deficit or sticking it to the middle class. we can't afford to go down that road again. we can't afford another round of budget busting tax cuts for the wealthy. we can't afford to gut our stmes in education or n energy or research or technology. we can't afford to roll back regulations on wall street banks or oil companies or insuran comp we can't afford doubl down on the same topdown economic policies that t u intothis mess. that is not a jobs plan. it's not a plan for our ecomy. it's not a plan to strengthened middle cls. it is not change. it is a relapse. and we're not going to do it. we haveeen th we have tried that. we are not going back. moving forward. beuse i' got a different view. we have a different view about how to .[createbs and prosperi. this country doesn't succeed when only the rich get richer. we succeed when everybody has a shot, when the middle classs getting biggerwhen there are ladders of opportunity into the middle class. our economy does not grow from the top down, it grows from the middle out. that's

promises. you know, $5 trillion in cuts but it won't add to the deficit, trust me i'll tell you later. eat cake, lose weight. so i don't think he got the game changer he needed tonight. i do think the president was particularly strong, though, in getting governor romney to admit that he does want to turn medicare into a voucher program and i also believe the president was good in drawing the contrast between the two economic approaches, the two economic plans. governor romney believes that tax cuts for the wealthy grow jobs. most of us understand that those sorts of tax cuts are what grow deficits. they don't grow jobs. and president obama and his opportunity economy, i thought that exchange was lucid. i don't think it was a game changer tonight. the president handled himself with a more dignified reserve. when governor romney was tested, he got kind of testy. and i thought that the president maintained his cool throughout and did well. >> what about the president's cool and the president's dignified reserve as you put it, do you think he's going to have to change that style going forward

trillion tax cut. my plan is not to put in place any tax cut that will add to the deficit. my view is we ought to provide tax relief to people in the middle class but i'm not going to reduce the share of taxes paid by high income people. we have 23 million people out of work. or stop look for work in this country. >> eliot: here's how the obama campaign responded to some of the claims. with an ad released this afternoon that relied on fact checkers. >> mitt romney has not laid out specifics for how he would pay for his tax cut. he says it's by reducing deductions and closing loopholes but he hasn't said which or how many. so the verdict here the simply incomplete. >> eliot: by the way that 23 million unemployed claim is also incorrect. off by only eight million people. romney also attacked the president on the obama care issue. >> romney: cut $716 million from medicare to pay for it. i want to put the money back in medicare for our seniors. it puts in place an unelected board that's going to tell people ultimat

on handling the deficit and joblessness, but trails on virtually every other big issue, including medicare, taxes and foreign policy. keeping them honest, when it comes to some of those issues, both candidates have come up short either on specifics or credibility. issues like cutting taxes without ballooning the deficit or burdening the middle class. the romney campaign has been asked again and again for specifics. here's running mate paul ryan just yesterday on fox news. >> there's been a traditional democrat and republican consensus lowering tax rates by broadening the tax base works. and you can -- >> i have to -- you haven't given me the math. >> well, i don't have -- it would take me too long to go through all of the math. >> chris wallace kept trying but came away empty-handed. he's not the only one. take a look. >> which of the deductions are you going to be willing to eliminate? which of the tax credits are you going to -- when are you going to be able to tell us that? >> we'll go through that process with congress. >> give me an example of a loophole that you will close. >> i can

somebody's finally cracking down on big bird. who knew that he was responsible for all these deficits? >> most importantly the president's campaign showed a willingness to take the fight to the airwaves again. the obama camp released a television ad pointing out romney's blatant lies. >> why won't romney level with us about his tax plan which gives the wealthy huge new tax breaks? because according to experts, he'd have to raise taxes on the middle class or increase the deficit to pay for it. if we can't trust him here, how could we ever trust him here? >> i know a lot of lefties woke up today wondering why it felt like they had a little bit better command of the material than the president did. well, who knows. today the president and his campaign showed a willingness to change direction when things don't go according to plan. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question. will mitt romney get away with lying to the american people? text "a" for yes, text "b" for no to 622639. always go to our blog at ed.msnbc.com and i'll bring you the results later on

deficits under george bush is because we put two wars it and two tax cuts on a credit card and now governor romney wants another $5 trillion in tax cuts that he can't pay for? not if i have anything to say about it. that's not going to happen. we are not going to let this country fall backward, not now, not with so much at stake. we've got to move forward. we need to invest in small business and manufacturers who create jobs here in the united states. we need to recruit 100,000 math and science teachers, train 2 million workers at community college, bring down the cost of college tuition. [ cheers and applause ] we need to cut our oil imports in half, create thousands more jobs in clean energy. we need to use the savings from ending the wars in iraq and afghanistan to help pay down our deficit and put people back to work doing some nation building right here at home. that's the agenda we need. that's how you strengthen the middle class. that's how you keep moving forward. that is the choice in this election and that is why i'm running for a second term. that's what we need. [ cheers and app

trillion national debt we have runaway deficits each and every year. we need to have the people down there and focus in a bipartisan matter. we do not need blood and teeth in the streets. we need people will find solutions. >> in this state, the legacy of senator kennedy is well known. part of that legacy is being able to compromise and work with republicans. can you name republicans in the senate that you are able to work with on big issues that the country faces? >> probably richard would be one that comes to mind. >> not going to be there. >> that is a problem. >> let me ask the question. are there any republicans that will be in the senate that you fill you can work with substantively and compromise with? >> it depends on what the subject matter is. let me give you an example. on the question of fannie and freddie -- fannie mae and freddie mac. the republicans have said across the spectrum that we need to revise fannie and freddie. i think there are wrong. at the that is an issue i think i could work with virtually every republican in the united states senate because it is an imp

supports the bush tax cuts for the wealthy. >> bill: which increased our deficit by over a trillion dollars. >> he supports the ryan budget which would take another trillion dollars of tax cuts. i don't know how you can say those things but i believe the american public know that you can't say that you're opposed to tax cuts and then support them. >> bill: yeah. it was like -- president obama said well, in fact, here's what he does. it is $4 trillion and then another $2 trillion and there's just no way that that is not going to add to the deficit. and romney's response was no, no no! i just said -- i will not have a tax cut that will add to the deficit. so therefore what you just said isn't true. just because mitt romney says it doesn't mean it's not true. but i want to come back -- focuses on education. there was one time where the president made this link to -- from the ryan budget to necessary cuts in education. peter, do we have that clip? >> obama: governor romney indicates he wants to cut taxes and potentiall

in the last 50 years. >> i put forward a specific $4 trillion deficit reduction plan. >> my number one principle is there will be no tax cut that adds to the deficit. >> it is not possible to come up with enough deductions and loop loopholes that only effect high income individuals to either avoid raising the deficit or burdennening the middle class. it's math. >> according to a nationwide poll last night 2/3 of people who watched the debate think romney won the showdown. the vice presidential candidates are scheduled to square off next week in kentucky. >>> the oakland athletics with one of the most amazing wins in franchise history after rallying from a 5-1 deficit. they beat texas 12-5 sweeping the series in front of a sold-out crowd. and they win the degrees -- division on the last game of the season. they are now the only team in major league baseball history to come back from five games down with fewer than 10 games to play. one of our solo reporters is at the coliseum. jackie with more. >> reporter: do you think they would do it any other way? 13 games back on june 30th. four

about reducing the federal deficit? >> it was the starting point and there were a lot of good ideas in that particular commission. what we really stuck with -- ultimately, you have to put the whole thing into a budget to make it work. you have to balance those different elements and saywhat is a reasonable approach? it is all but what -- like what if -- it is a little bit what like families have to do. the budget has been set up for a vote and the budget has passed. was the budget i would have written? no, it was not quite as conservative. it was still a reasonable approach that puts us back on track to recovery. those budgets, of course, go where? to the senate. what happens when we send bills to the senate? they die. the budget saw in the senate and died. -- sat in the senate and died. that is the reason i am running for the senate. the senate cannot get anything done. it is the fed's rule of law that we are supposed to have a budget every year. i do not think the debt ceiling increase and another 10%, the sequestration of defense, is not an excuse to do and what the law says. >>

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